Brooks and Capehart on Biden’s State of the Union and what’s next in the 2024 race

Political analysis with David Brooks and Jonathan Capehart
8 Mar 202411:35

Summary

TLDRThe transcript discusses President Biden's fiery and partisan speech at the Union Address, which marked the unofficial start of the general election. The speech highlighted policy issues and Biden's willingness to fight for Democratic values. Analysts reflect on the speech's impact on the electorate, the absence of direct mention of Donald Trump, and the potential for a Biden-Trump debate. They also address the Republican response by Katie Britt and the possible influence of a third-party candidate.

Takeaways

  • 📺 President Biden's Union Address had a record viewership of 32 million Americans, 18% higher than the previous year.
  • 🔥 Biden's speech was notably fiery, with unscripted exchanges, particularly on issues like social security and tax cuts for the wealthy.
  • 🤝 The Democrats are adopting a more partisan and combative approach in response to the Trump era, moving away from the 'go high' strategy.
  • 🎤 Biden's speech reassured Democrats by leading with the issue of Ukraine, which was unexpected and showed a shift in political priorities.
  • 🌟 Biden's performance in the speech was seen as a rebuttal to critics who question his vitality and mental acuity.
  • 🚫 Biden did not mention Donald Trump by name, which was likely a strategic choice to focus on policy rather than personal attacks.
  • 💬 The Republican response by Katie Britt focused on immigration, crime, and the economy, with a style of communication aimed at suburbanites and mothers.
  • 📈 The discussion highlighted the importance of policy in the upcoming general election, with Biden's focus on legislative accomplishments and future plans.
  • 🗣️ The potential for a Biden-Trump debate was discussed, with opinions split on whether it would be beneficial or if it would even occur.
  • 🏛️ The impact of a third-party candidate was considered, with speculation that such a candidate could potentially hurt Biden's chances more than Trump's.

Q & A

  • What was the main purpose of President Biden's speech as described in the transcript?

    -The speech served as an unofficial kick-off to the general election.

  • How many Americans watched President Biden's speech according to Nielsen ratings?

    -Approximately 32 million Americans tuned in to watch.

  • What was the percentage increase in viewership for President Biden's speech compared to the previous year?

    -The viewership was 18% higher than the previous year.

  • What was David Brooks' first observation about the Democrats' response to the Trump era?

    -The Democrats have shifted from a 'go high' approach to a more partisan and strong fighting stance.

  • What issue did President Biden lead with in his speech, which was considered unusual?

    -He led with the issue of Ukraine.

  • What was Jonathan Capehart's assessment of President Biden's performance in the speech?

    -Capehart believed that Biden reassured the country and Democrats that he is willing to fight for his accomplishments and future goals.

  • Why did the panelists think President Biden did not mention Donald Trump by name?

    -It was likely a strategic decision to focus on policy and Biden's own record rather than engaging in a partisan attack.

  • What was the main criticism of Katie Britt's Republican response?

    -The criticism was that her performance was overacted and difficult to watch, with a wide range in her octaves that made it hard to hear her message.

  • What did David Brooks think about Katie Britt's communication style?

    -Brooks thought she was compassionate, smart, and effective, and that her style might appeal to many moms and suburbanites who are not deeply into politics.

  • What was the panel's consensus on the importance of policy in the upcoming general election?

    -The panel agreed that focusing on policy and legislative accomplishments is crucial for Biden's campaign, as people are looking for politicians who can improve their lives.

  • What was the panel's opinion on whether President Biden and Donald Trump should debate?

    -Both panelists believed that they should debate, although they were unsure if it would happen and questioned whether Trump would agree to it.

  • How might a third-party candidate potentially impact the election?

    -David Brooks suggested that a third-party candidate could have an impact, but he believed that their presence would likely hurt Biden more than Trump.

Outlines

00:00

🗣️ President Biden's Fiery Union Address

The discussion focuses on President Biden's Union Address, which unofficially marked the beginning of the general election. The speech garnered high viewership, with 32 million Americans tuning in, an 18% increase from the previous year. The conversation highlights Biden's combative tone, particularly his unscripted exchanges, and his focus on issues like social security and tax cuts for the wealthy. The panelists analyze the Democratic response to the Trump era, noting a shift from a 'go high' approach to a more partisan stance. They also discuss the strategic choice to lead with the Ukraine issue and the perception of Biden's vitality and readiness to fight for his policies.

05:00

📉 Republican Response and Economic Concerns

The panel examines the Republican response to Biden's address, delivered by Katie Britt, which focused on immigration, crime, and the economy. Britt's speech emphasized the struggles of the American people under Biden's policies, a narrative the panelists debate. They discuss Britt's communication style and its potential appeal to certain demographics, such as suburbanites and mothers. The conversation also touches on the challenges of reaching voters who may be disillusioned with the state of the country, and the importance of policy-focused campaigns over moral leadership.

10:00

🏛️ General Election Mode and Policy Discussion

The panelists reflect on the implications of the previous night's speech for the upcoming general election. They highlight Biden's emphasis on policy, including early childhood education and student loan forgiveness, and the need to focus on legislative accomplishments to improve people's lives. The discussion includes the potential impact of a third-party candidate and the likelihood of a presidential debate between Biden and Trump. The panelists express their views on the tradition of presidential debates and their potential entertainment value, despite their mixed impact on election outcomes.

Mindmap

Keywords

💡State of the Union

The State of the Union is an annual speech delivered by the President of the United States to Congress, outlining the country's condition and the administration's goals and priorities. In this context, President Biden's speech is seen as an unofficial kick-off to the general election, highlighting his administration's achievements and future plans.

💡Partisanship

Partisanship refers to the strong support for a political party and its policies, often at the expense of fair consideration of rival parties. In the video, it is suggested that Democrats are embracing a more partisan approach, with President Biden positioning himself as a fighter for Democratic values.

💡Ukraine

Ukraine is a country in Eastern Europe that has been a focal point of international relations, particularly due to its conflict with Russia. In the context of the video, President Biden's speech leading with Ukraine is noted as unusual and significant, indicating the importance of foreign policy in his administration.

💡Social Security

Social Security is a federal program in the United States that provides benefits to retirees, disabled individuals, and their dependents. It is a contentious issue in American politics, with debates often revolving around its funding and sustainability. In the video, Biden's stance on not cutting Social Security is contrasted with Republican proposals.

💡Tax Cuts

Tax cuts refer to reductions in the tax rates or the amount of tax due, typically implemented by a government to stimulate economic growth or provide relief to taxpayers. The video script mentions tax cuts as a point of contention between Democrats and Republicans, with Biden opposing further tax breaks for the wealthy.

💡Economy

The economy encompasses the production, distribution, and consumption of goods and services in a country. Economic policies and their impact are a central focus of political debates. In the video, the state of the economy is a key point of discussion, with differing views on whether Bidenomics is working.

💡Immigration

Immigration refers to the movement of people into a country to live there permanently. It is a complex and divisive issue in American politics, often involving debates on national security, economic impact, and human rights. The video script mentions immigration as a focus of the Republican response to Biden's speech.

💡Debate

In the context of politics, a debate is a formal discussion between candidates or their representatives, where they present their views and respond to questions. The video script discusses the possibility of a debate between President Biden and Donald Trump, which is a tradition in presidential campaigns.

💡Third-Party Candidate

A third-party candidate is an individual who runs for office outside of the two major political parties in the United States, which are the Democratic and Republican parties. The video script mentions a third-party group planning to field a candidate, which could influence the election outcome.

💡Legislative Accomplishments

Legislative accomplishments refer to the successful passage of laws or policies by a legislative body, such as Congress. In the context of the video, Biden's legislative achievements are highlighted as a key part of his campaign narrative, focusing on tangible results rather than promises.

Highlights

President Biden's Union Address unofficially kicks off the general election.

Biden's speech had 32 million American viewers, 18% higher than the previous year.

Biden's delivery was fiery, including unscripted exchanges.

Biden's speech highlighted two paths: Republicans cutting Social Security and giving tax breaks to the wealthy, or Democrats' approach.

David Brooks noted a shift from Democrats' initial 'go high' response to a more partisan and strong stance.

Biden's speech reassured Democrats by leading with the Ukraine issue, which is unusual for a State of the Union address.

Biden's stance on Social Security was criticized as misleading, as Trump had not explicitly proposed cuts.

Jonathan Capehart believes Biden showed vitality and willingness to fight for his policies and accomplishments.

Biden did not mention Donald Trump by name, which was intentional to maintain a focus on policy rather than personal attacks.

Republican response by Katie Britt focused on immigration, crime, and the economy, with a message that may appeal to suburbanites and non-politically inclined voters.

Brooks and Capehart discuss the potential impact of a third-party candidate on the election, with Brooks suggesting it could hurt Biden more than Trump.

The discussion emphasizes the importance of policy over moral leadership in appealing to voters.

Biden's campaign strategy is expected to focus on legislative accomplishments and plans to improve people's lives.

The possibility of a debate between Trump and Biden is discussed, with opinions split on whether it will happen and its potential usefulness.

The conversation suggests that debates do not necessarily determine election outcomes, citing past examples.

The conversation concludes with speculation on the impact of a third-party candidate and the general election dynamics.

Transcripts

00:04

F

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THE UNION ADDRESS BY PRESIDENT

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BIDEN SERVED AS AN UNOFFICIAL

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KICKOFF TO THE GENERAL ELECTION.

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ON THAT AND WHAT LIES AHEAD IN

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THE RACE FOR THE WHITE HOUSE, WE

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TURN TO THE ANALYSIS OF BROOKS

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AND CAPEHART.

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THAT'S "NEW YORK TIMES"

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COLUMNIST DAVID BROOKS, AND

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JONATHAN CAPEHART, ASSOCIATE

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EDITOR FOR "THE WASHINGTON

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POST."

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THANK YOU FOR JOINING US FROM

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PHILADELPHIA.

00:30

LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT SPEECH

00:30

LAST NIGHT BECAUSE THE NUMBERS

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ARE IN.

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ACCORDING TO NIELSEN, HUGE

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NUMBERS FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN.

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SOME 32 MILLION AMERICANS TUNED

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IN TO WATCH.

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THAT IS 18% HIGHER THAN LAST

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YEAR.

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AS WE NOTED, IT WAS A PRETTY

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FIERY DELIVERY.

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SOME UNSCRIPTED BACK AND FORTH,

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WE WILL CALL THEM, INCLUDING

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MOMENTS LIKE THIS UNFOLDING.

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>> WE HAVE TWO WAYS TO GO.

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REPUBLICANS CAN CUT SOCIAL

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SECURITY AND GIVE MORE TAX

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BREAKS TO THE WEALTHY.

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WELL, THAT'S THE PROPOSAL.

01:01

[JEERING]

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OH, NO.

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YOU GUYS DON'T WANT ANOTHER $2

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TRILLION TAX CUT.

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I KIND OF THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT

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YOUR PLAN WAS.

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WELL, THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR.

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YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CUT ANOTHER

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$2 TRILLION FOR THE SUPER WELL,

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THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR.

01:16

AMNA: GOING INTO THE SPEECH, YOU

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SAID YOU WERE LOOKING FOR

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POETRY.

01:21

GEOFF: I SAID-- DAVID: I SAID

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FEUDALISM.

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ON A DAY'S REFLECTION, TWO

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THOUGHTS COME TO MIND.

01:35

THE FIRST IS THAT THE DEMOCRATS

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HAVE HAD TROUBLE DIGGING OUT HOW

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TO RESPOND TO THE TRUMP ERA, SO

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THE FIRST RESPONSE WAS THE

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MICHELLE OBAMA MONDAY GO LOW, WE

01:43

GO HIGH.

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THAT HAS CLEARLY GONE.

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THEY ARE GOING SUPER PARTISAN

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AND THEY ARE GOING SUPER STRONG

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WITH THE FIGHT.

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A LOT OF DEMOCRATS JUST WANT TO

01:52

SEE THE FIGHT.

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HE HAS COME OUT AS A PRETTY

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PARTISAN FIGHTER, AND I THINK A

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LOT OF DEMOCRATS WILL BE VERY

01:58

PLEASED BY THAT.

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THE SECOND IS REFLECTING ON THE

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MOVING PIECES IN THAT SPEECH AND

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HOW THEY TOUCH A LOT OF BASIS TO

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REASSURE DEMOCRATS.

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I AM MOST STRUCK BY THE FACT

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THAT HE LED WITH UKRAINE.

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IT IS SO UNUSUAL TO BEGIN A

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STATE OF THE UNION SPEECH WITH

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ONE ISSUE, THEN ONE ISSUE THAT

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FRANKLY TURNS AROUND THE WHOLE

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POLITICAL UNIVERSE.

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I WAS LOOKING AT THESE LIBERAL

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DEMOCRATS ON THE F FLOOR

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THINKING, MORE DEFENSE

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SPENDING.

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WHAT WORLD AM I IN?

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IN MY WORLD, THE REPUBLICAN

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PARTY IS FOR MORE AGGRESSIVE

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FOREIGN POLICY.

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BUT WE HAVE SEEN A REVERSION OF

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THE POLITICAL UNIVERSE.

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ON SOCIAL SECURITY, HE IS KIND

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OF WRONG.

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DONALD TRUMP SAID EXPLICITLY NO

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CUTS TO SOCIAL SECURITY.

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IT WAS KIND OF UNFAIR.

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BUT HE CLEARLY WANTED THAT FIGHT

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AND ENJOYED THAT FIGHT.

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AMNA: IT WAS THE SAME MOMENT

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LAST YEAR THAT GOADED MARJORIE

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TAYLOR GREENE INTO A BACK AND

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FORTH.

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JONATHAN, THE PRESIDENT DID HAVE

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LINGERING CONCERNS HE WAS TRYING

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TO ADDRESS GOING INTO THE STATE.

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DID HE DO WHAT HE NEEDED TO DO

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IN THOSE REMARKS?

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NICK: -- JONATHAN: YES, HE

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ABSOLUTELY DEAD.

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NOT ONLY DEMOCRATS WANTED TO SEE

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THE PRESIDENT FIGHT, I THINK

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LOTS OF AMERICANS WANTED TO SEE,

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IS THIS GUY REALLY ALIVE, AS THE

03:22

REPUBLICANS KEEP SAYING HE IS

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PRACTICALLY DEAD, THAT HE IS

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SENILE.

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THE MAN WHO SHOWED UP YESTERDAY

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WAS DECIDEDLY NOT.

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IN THAT CLIP YOU PLAYED, IT WAS

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REMINISCENT OF LAST YEAR.

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HE WAS NEGOTIATING IN REAL TIME,

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TRYING TO PAINT THEM INTO A

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CORNER IN REAL TIME.

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SORRY, BUT SOMEONE WHO IS NOT

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ALL THERE CAN'T DO THAT IN FRONT

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OF A CROWD OF PEOPLE ON LIVE

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TELEVISION IN A HIGH-STAKES

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ADDRESS.

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WHAT HE DID OVERALL I THINK WAS

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REASSURE THE COUNTRY AND

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REASSURE DEMOCRATS THAT NOT ONLY

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IS HE WILLING TO FIGHT BUT HE IS

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WILLING TO FIGHT FOR THE THINGS

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THAT HE HAS ACCOMPLISHED.

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HE IS WILLING TO FIGHT FOR THE

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THINGS HE WANTS TO TRY TO DO AND

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THAT HE IS WILLING TO FIGHT FOR

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THEM IN THE SAME WAY THAT

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REPUBLICANS OR MAGA FOLKS VIEW

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DONALD TRUMP IS FIGHTING FOR

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THEM.

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AMNA: HE DIDN'T MENTION DONALD

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TRUMP ONCE BY NAME.

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SHOULD HE HAVE?

04:20

JONATHAN: NO.

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I THINK THAT WAS ON PURPOSE

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BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH DAVID SAYS

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LAST NIGHT WAS A VERY PARTISAN

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SPEECH, HE DIDN'T MENTION DONALD

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TRUMP'S NAME UNTIL TODAY.

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HIS RALLY HERE IN PENNSYLVANIA

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WRAPPED UP ABOUT 20 MINUTES

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BEFORE THIS SEGMENT, AND HE USED

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DONALD TRUMP'S NAME A LOT.

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HE IS NOT SHYING AWAY FROM THE

04:45

FIGHT AT ALL.

04:45

AMNA: I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT

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THE REPUBLICAN RESPONSE

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DELIVERED BY KATIE BRITT.

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MUCH OF HER REMARKS FOCUSED ON

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IMMIGRATION AND CRIME, BUT PART

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OF HER MESSAGE WAS ON THE

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ECONOMY.

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HERE'S WHAT SHE HAD TO SAY.

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>> THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE

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SCRAPING BY WHILE PRESIDENT

05:02

BIDEN PROUDLY PROCLAIMS THAT

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BIDENOMICS IS WORKING.

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GOODNESS, Y'ALL.

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BLESS HIS HEART.

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AMNA: DAVID, SHE IS 42 YEARS

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OLD.

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SHE IS ACCOMPLISHED IN HER OWN

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RIGHT, BUT UNIQUE AMONG SENATE

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REPUBLICANS BECAUSE SHE IS ALSO

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A MOTHER TO TWO SCHOOL-AGED

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CHILDREN.

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WHO ARE REPUBLICANS HOPING TO

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REACH?

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DAVID: I AM HER LAST DEFENDER.

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I THOUGHT SHE DID AN ADEQUATE

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JOB.

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I EXPECT TO DO THIS SEGMENT FROM

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MY KITCHEN FROM NOW ON TO STAY

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TUNED.

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THMOST OF THE COUNTRY, YOU

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SHOW THAT YOU ARE CONCERNED

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ABOUT YOUR FAMILY, YOU ARE EQUAL

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AND NOBODY IS BETTER THAN ME, I

05:46

AM NO BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE.

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I THOUGHT SHE EXAMPLE FIGHT A

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STYLE OF COMMUNICATION THAT MAY

05:50

NOT BE POPULAR IN THE MEDIA

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WORLD BUT IS POPULAR IN MOST OF

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THE COUNTRY.

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MOST CAN SAY, MAYBE SHE

05:56

OVERACTED A LITTLE, BUT I

05:58

THOUGHT SHE WAS COMPASSIONATE,

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SMART, EFFECTIVE.

06:01

SHE HAPPENS TO BE COMPLETELY

06:03

WRONG ON WHAT WE JUST SHOWED.

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WE JUST HAD 275 THOUSAND NEW

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JOBS.

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WE HAVE THE GREATEST ECONOMY IN

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THE WORLD OF ANY MAJOR ECONOMY.

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THE IDEA THAT PEOPLE, THAT JOE

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BIDEN IS PUFFING UP THE ECONOMY

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IS JUST COMPLETELY WRONG.

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IT IS TRUE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

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ARE IN A BAD MOOD.

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I CALL THAT A PESSIMISM BUBBLE.

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BUT I THOUGHT SHE WAS COMPLETELY

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FINE AND WILL APPEAL TO A LOT OF

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MOMS, A LOT OF SUBURBANITES WHO

06:32

ARE JUST NOT SUPER INTO

06:33

POLITICS, BUT THEY SENSE THAT

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SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH THE

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COUNTRY MAY BE SPIRITUALLY,

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MORALLY, RELATIONALLY, AND

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THINK, I KNOW PEOPLE LIKE HER.

06:41

AMNA: MANY OF THOSE VOTERS ARE

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THE SAME VOTERS, THE FORMER

06:47

HALEY VOTERS THAT PRESIDENT

06:49

BIDEN WAS MAKING AN APPEAL TO

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HIMSELF.

06:51

COULD HE REACH SOME OF THEM?

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JONATHAN: MAYBE.

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MAYBE SHE CAN.

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MAYBE THOSE ARE VOTERS WHO ARE

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UP FOR GRABS, BUT MAYBE SHE IS

07:02

FROM THE MAGA WING OF THE

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REPUBLICAN PARTY AND THOSE

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VOTING FOR HALEY MAY NOT LIKE

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HER.

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I THINK DAVID IS BEING

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CHARITABLE SAYING SHE MAY BE

07:12

OVERACTED A BIT.

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IT MADE IT DIFFICULT TO WATCH,

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BETWEEN THE RANGE IN HER OCTAVES

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AND HOW SHE WAS SAYING WHAT SHE

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WAS SAYING AND PERFORMING WHAT

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SHE WAS SAYING WAS KIND OF HARD

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TO HEAR WHAT SHE WAS SAYING.

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THE OTHER THING IS, I KNOW IF

07:32

HUGH HEWITT, ONE OF THE MOST

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CONSERVATIVE THINKERS OUT THERE,

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A FELLOW COLUMNIST AT "THE

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WASHINGTON POST," IF HE AND I

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ARE IN AGREEMENT ABOUT HOW BAD

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THE REPUBLICAN RESPONSE IS, THAT

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TELLS ME SHE WAS BAD.

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[LAUGHTER]

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AMNA: I THINK IT IS SAFE TO SAY

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WE ARE IN GENERAL ELECTION MODE

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RIGHT NOW.

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AND IF THAT IS THE CASE, WHAT

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DOES WHAT WAS SAID LAST NIGHT

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AND HOW IT WAS SAID, WHAT DOES

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THAT TELL US ABOUT WHAT WE ARE

08:00

GOING TO SEE FOR THE NEXT EIGHT

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MONTHS?

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DAVID: ONE OF THE NICE THINGS I

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LOVED ABOUT LAST NIGHT IS WE

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WERE TALKING ABOUT POLICY.

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BIDEN CRAMMED THAT SPEECH FULL

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OF POLICY.

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EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION,

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WHATEVER.

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STUDENT LOAN FORGIVENESS.

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AND ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THE

08:19

ANTI-TRUMP WORLD HAS BEEN TOO

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MUCH RELIANCE ON THIS.

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TRUMP SAYS SOME HORRIBLE THINGS,

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WE REACT, THAT IS SO HORRIBLE.

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WE WATCH OUR FAVORITE

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COMMENTATORS WHO SAY THAT WAS

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HORRIBLE, THEN WE EXPECT THERE

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TO BE SOME MASSIVE MORAL TURN ON

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HIM.

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WE EXPECT THE INDICTMENTS.

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WE EXPECT SOMETHING THAT WILL

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WIPE THEM OFF THE FACE OF THE

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EARTH SO WE CAN FEEL VINDICATED.

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IT FEELS GOOD, THIS EXERCISE.

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IT HAS BEEN A TOTAL FAILURE

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BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN DOING IT

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FOR SIX YEARS AND DONALD TRUMP

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IS POLITICALLY IN A BETTER SPOT

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NOW THAN HE HAS EVER BEFORE.

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TO ME, IF BIDEN IS GOING TO BEAT

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HIM, IT HAS TO BE REMINDING

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PEOPLE, THIS POLICY, I LIKE

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THAT, I LIKE THAT.

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MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT LOOKING FOR

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MORAL LEADERSHIP FROM

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POLITICIANS ANYMORE.

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THEY ARE LOOKING FOR WHO WILL

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MAKE MY LIFE A LITTLE BETTER?

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AMNA: DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT?

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JONATHAN: I ABSOLUTELY AGREE

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WITH IT.

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ACTUALLY, IT IS SORT OF A

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VINDICATION OF WHAT THE BIDEN

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WHITE HOUSE HAS BEEN SAYING FROM

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THE VERY BEGINNING.

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IF WE FOCUS ON GETTING

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LEGISLATIVE ACCOMPLISHMENTS, IF

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WE FOCUS ON GETTING WINDS ON THE

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BOARD, IF WE FOCUS ON GETTING

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THINGS INTO LAW THAT WILL THEN

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START MAKING PEOPLE'S LIVES

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BETTER THAT WE CAN THEN TURN

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AROUND AND GO BACK TO THE

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AMERICAN PEOPLE AND SAY, LOOK

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WHAT WE'VE DONE, NOT WHAT WE

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PROMISED TO DO, BUT WHAT WE'VE

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DONE, THEN THAT IS HALF THE

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BATTLE.

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AND WHAT WE SAW LAST NIGHT, I

09:43

THINK DAVID IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT,

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THAT SPEECH WAS CRAMMED WITH ALL

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SORTS OF THINGS HE HAS DONE AND

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THINGS HE WANTS TO DO, RIGHT

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DOWN TO THE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS

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OVER 10 YEARS.

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I THINK WE ARE GOING TO SEE THE

10:00

PRESIDENT TALK ABOUT THOSE

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THINGS, BOTH WHAT HE HAS DONE

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AND WHAT HE WANTS TO DO, AS HE

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GOES ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL.

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LIKE I SAID BEFORE, I JUST

10:07

WATCHED THE RALLY.

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IT IS IT A STATE OF THE UNION

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SPEECH WITH DONALD TRUMP'S NAME

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AND IT.

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AMNA: DO YOU THINK MR. TRUMP AND

10:16

MR. BIDEN WILL DEBATE, AND

10:17

SHOULD THEY?

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JONATHAN: YES, THEY SHOULD

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DEBATE.

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I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY WILL

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DEBATE.

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BUT I DO KNOW THIS, I THINK

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PRESIDENT BIDEN ABSOLUTELY WANTS

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TO DEBATE.

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THE QUESTION IS, DOES DONALD

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TRUMP?

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I AM NOT CONVINCED HE DOES.

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DAVID: HE SAID HE DOES.

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IT IS A PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN.

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ALL OF OUR LIFETIMES, THEY HAVE

10:40

DEBATED.

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I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT STARTED,

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BUT CERTAINLY NIXON AND KENNEDY,

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SO THERE SHOULD BE A DEBATE.

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WHETHER IT WILL BE USEFUL, EH.

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IT DOESN'T LEAD TO WHO WINS THE

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ELECTIONS.

10:52

PRESIDENT OBAMA HAD A TERRIBLE

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DEBATE.

10:56

PRESIDENT BUSH DIDN'T DO WELL IN

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DEBATES AND WON TWICE.

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BUT IT SHOULD BE FUN FOR US.

10:59

AMNA: I HAVE TO ASK YOU, THE NO

11:03

LABEL THIRD-PARTY GROUP SAID

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THEY WILL BE FIELDING A

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DEFENDING CANDIDATE.

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WHAT IMPACT WILL THAT HAVE?

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DAVID: IT COULD HAVE AN IMPACT.

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THE FORMER DALLAS MAYOR, I KNOW

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HIM.

11:12

HE HAS A VERY SERIOUS GUY.

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SO THESE ARE NOT HALF-BAKED

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PEOPLE.

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BUT I HAVE LONG THOUGHT LOOKING

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AT THE DATA, WHOEVER THEY PUT

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UP, IT WILL HURT BIDEN MORE THAN

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TRUMP.

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AMNA: WE WILL SEE.

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ALWAYS GREAT TO SEE YOU BOTH.

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THANK YOU SO MUCH.

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