Destiny vs Piers Morgan | On Trump, Biden, Israel-Hamas And More

Piers Morgan Uncensored
26 Feb 202435:29

Summary

TLDRThe script delves into a lively debate surrounding the upcoming US presidential election between Donald Trump and Joe Biden. It explores Trump's improbable political resurgence, his confrontational rhetoric, and the polarizing perceptions surrounding his presidency. Key issues such as foreign policy, immigration, and cognitive abilities of the candidates are scrutinized. The debate also touches upon the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, with discussions on historical narratives, civilian casualties, and the elusive path to a peaceful resolution. Perspectives from political commentators and public figures offer thought-provoking insights into the complex dynamics shaping the nation's future.

Takeaways

  • 🗳️ Donald Trump's significant lead in the South Carolina Republican primary indicates strong ongoing support within the party.
  • 🏛️ Trump's absence from the primary results event, choosing instead to address the Conservative Party Action Conference, demonstrates his focus on broader national influence.
  • 🔊 Trump's rhetoric remains fiery and divisive, framing a vote for him as an escape from perceived tyranny and failure under Joe Biden.
  • 📊 National polls suggest Trump could potentially defeat Biden in the upcoming election, raising questions about the Democratic strategy.
  • 📉 Criticism of Biden focuses on perceived senility and underperformance, despite legislative successes and lack of criminal indictments unlike Trump.
  • 🤔 The Democratic Party faces challenges in combating Trump's energy and dynamism, and improving public perception of the economy under Biden.
  • 🌍 Trump's foreign policy, particularly in relation to wars and international conflicts, is a point of contention between supporters and critics.
  • 🏁 The debate over who is better for America's leadership hinges on issues like foreign policy effectiveness, economic management, and personal leadership qualities.
  • 🤝 The Israel-Palestine conflict discussion reflects deep-seated biases and myths from both sides, complicating the search for a peaceful resolution.
  • 🌐 Debates about foreign policy, especially in the Middle East, reveal the complexity and varied perspectives on America's role in global conflicts.

Q & A

  • What was the outcome of the Republican primary in South Carolina involving Donald Trump and Nikki Haley?

    -Donald Trump crushed Nikki Haley in the Republican primary in South Carolina.

  • What was Destiny's critique of Joe Biden's performance as President?

    -Destiny criticized Biden for seeming to have slowed down with age but acknowledged his achievements in legislation, foreign policy, and management of the country's rhetoric, contrasting it with Trump's tenure.

  • What was the main point of Tommy's argument in favor of Donald Trump?

    -Tommy argued that under Trump's presidency, the economy was doing well, no new wars were started, there was peace internationally, and the U.S. border was more secure, suggesting a preference for Trump's leadership over Biden's.

  • How did Destiny respond to the criticism of Joe Biden's handling of Afghanistan's withdrawal?

    -Destiny attributed the problematic withdrawal from Afghanistan to the Doha agreements signed by Donald Trump, which set the timetable and troop levels for the U.S. exit, arguing that Biden inherited a difficult situation.

  • What was Destiny's perspective on the U.S. southern border situation under Joe Biden?

    -Destiny acknowledged there were border problems under Biden but noted that the situation was exacerbated by Republicans holding up funding for border security and argued that comparisons to Trump's tenure were not entirely fair.

  • What was the primary critique Destiny had of Donald Trump's foreign policy?

    -Destiny criticized Trump for his lack of substantial foreign policy achievements, highlighting failures such as abandoning Kurdish allies, not addressing Russia's actions in Crimea, and ineffective management of various international relations.

  • What were the main points of disagreement between Destiny and Tommy regarding the U.S.'s involvement in Ukraine?

    -Destiny supported U.S. aid to Ukraine, emphasizing the importance of resisting Russian aggression. Tommy questioned the effectiveness and accountability of U.S. aid, citing concerns about corruption in Ukraine and priorities at home.

  • How did Destiny and Tommy differ in their views on American energy independence?

    -Tommy advocated for American energy independence as a strategy against Russia, while Destiny pointed out that the U.S. already has strong energy independence compared to many other countries.

  • What was Destiny's stance on the Israel-Palestine conflict and the conduct of both sides?

    -Destiny criticized both sides for their extreme narratives and actions, suggesting a need for a realistic two-state solution where both Israelis and Palestinians might have to make concessions for peace.

  • How did Destiny critique the public's perception of Joe Biden's presidency compared to Donald Trump's?

    -Destiny argued that Biden's presidency has seen significant achievements despite public perceptions influenced by media portrayals of Biden's age and capability, contrasting this with the lack of legislative success during Trump's term.

Outlines

00:00

🗳️ Trump's Dominant Victory and Upcoming Challenges

Donald Trump's impressive win in the South Carolina Republican primary against Nikki Haley is highlighted, emphasizing his strong position for the upcoming election against Joe Biden. The discussion includes a debate between Trump critic Destiny and Tommy Len, focusing on Biden's performance and potential strategies for both parties. The narrative covers Trump's energized base, his policy successes, and contrasts them with Biden's perceived weaknesses. The conversation touches on economic perceptions, legal issues facing Trump, and the importance of addressing voter concerns about both candidates' fitness for office.

05:01

📉 The Biden Administration's Challenges and Public Perception

This segment delves into the difficulties facing the Biden administration, with emphasis on his precarious standing both domestically and internationally. The debate between Destiny and Tommy Len scrutinizes Biden's ability to articulate and physically present himself, which raises concerns about his capacity to serve another term. They discuss the impact of Biden's policies, the perception of Trump's foreign policy successes, and the critical state of the U.S. southern border. The conversation also explores the contentious issue of supporting Ukraine amidst domestic challenges, underlining the polarized views on foreign policy and national priorities.

10:01

🌍 Debating U.S. Foreign Policy and Leadership

The discussion shifts to U.S. foreign policy, particularly the stance on Ukraine and energy independence. The contrasting views of Destiny and Tommy Len highlight the debate on America's role on the global stage, including the handling of the Ukraine crisis and the importance of energy independence. They ponder Trump's potential impact on international relations if re-elected, critiquing his foreign policy while also acknowledging the strategic challenges posed by Russia and China. The conversation underscores the complexity of balancing domestic interests with international responsibilities.

15:01

🤝 Trump's Influence and Biden's Leadership Scrutinized

This part focuses on assessing Trump's influence and Biden's leadership, touching upon Trump's claim of respect and fear from international leaders. Destiny and Tommy Len explore the effectiveness of Trump's foreign policy and the implications of his leadership style. They also discuss Biden's achievements and challenges, particularly in managing the U.S. economy and foreign policy. The segment raises critical questions about the perception of leadership and the impact of policy decisions on both domestic and international fronts.

20:03

📊 Political Dynamics and Voter Sentiment

This section examines the evolving political landscape, highlighting Trump's growing support and the challenges Biden faces in rallying his base. The dialogue between Destiny and Tommy Len captures the skepticism surrounding Biden's candidacy, especially in light of his age and legal issues. They delve into the strategic considerations for the Democratic Party, Trump's enduring appeal, and the importance of addressing voter concerns about governance, policy success, and leadership capabilities.

25:04

🚨 The Debate on Israel-Palestine Conflict

Destiny critiques the debates on the Israel-Palestine conflict, emphasizing the need for a balanced perspective that acknowledges the complexities and histories of both sides. He argues for a more nuanced understanding of the conflict, beyond the polarized narratives that often dominate public discourse. The segment explores the potential pathways to peace, the challenges of reaching a two-state solution, and the importance of leadership willing to compromise for the greater good.

30:04

💡 Insights on International Law and Armed Conflict

Destiny discusses the principles of international law and armed conflict, focusing on the obligations of nations to protect civilians and the right to self-defense. He addresses the criticisms of Israel's military actions in Gaza, arguing for a nuanced evaluation that considers the efforts to minimize civilian casualties and the responsibilities of both Israel and Hamas. The conversation highlights the legal and ethical complexities of warfare, the impact of civilian suffering, and the challenges of achieving peace in deeply divided regions.

35:04

🎙️ Destiny's Upcoming Debate and Reflections

Destiny reflects on his upcoming debate on the Israel-Palestine conflict, hosted by Lex Freeman, expressing humility and readiness to engage with experts like Professor Norman Finlin and Benny Morris. He acknowledges his position as a newcomer in the field and the importance of leveraging historical knowledge in the debate. The segment concludes with Destiny's anticipation of the debate and his commitment to contributing to a meaningful discussion on one of the most enduring and complex conflicts in the world.

Mindmap

Keywords

💡Foreign Policy

Foreign policy refers to the strategies and actions adopted by a nation in its interactions and relationships with other countries. In the context of the video, foreign policy is a critical topic of discussion, particularly concerning the approaches taken by former President Donald Trump and current President Joe Biden. The video examines the contrasting foreign policy decisions and outcomes during their respective presidencies, such as Trump's stance on the Russia-Ukraine conflict, the withdrawal from Afghanistan, and America's involvement in the Middle East.

💡Southern Border

The southern border refers to the international boundary between the United States and Mexico. In the video, the issue of illegal immigration and border security along the southern border is a significant point of contention. The participants debate the effectiveness of Trump's and Biden's administrations in addressing the challenges and policies related to the southern border, including the influx of undocumented immigrants and the construction of border barriers.

💡Cognitive Ability

Cognitive ability refers to an individual's mental capabilities, such as memory, reasoning, problem-solving, and decision-making. In the video, there is a heated discussion around Joe Biden's cognitive ability and whether his age has impacted his mental faculties, potentially affecting his ability to effectively lead the country. The participants question Biden's mental sharpness and debated whether he is fit to continue serving as President, drawing comparisons to Trump's perceived energy and dynamism.

💡Indictments

An indictment is a formal accusation or charge brought against an individual by a grand jury, alleging that they have committed a criminal offense. In the context of the video, the participants mention the potential indictments facing Donald Trump, which could have significant implications for his eligibility to run for the presidency again. The legal challenges and potential criminal charges against Trump are discussed as a factor that could influence public perception and voter sentiment in the upcoming election.

💡Ukraine Conflict

The Ukraine conflict refers to the ongoing military confrontation between Russia and Ukraine, which escalated in early 2022 when Russia launched a full-scale invasion of Ukrainian territory. In the video, the participants debate the role of the United States in supporting Ukraine against Russian aggression, with diverging views on the extent of military aid and financial assistance that should be provided. The broader implications of the conflict on global security and the potential consequences of inaction are also discussed.

💡Abraham Accords

The Abraham Accords were a series of joint normalization statements between Israel, the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Morocco, and Sudan, which were facilitated by the Trump administration in 2020. In the video, one of the participants criticizes the Abraham Accords as undermining the Palestinian cause and cutting them out of negotiations for peace in the Middle East. The accords are presented as an example of Trump's foreign policy decisions that may have contributed to further conflict in the region.

💡Economy

The economy refers to the production, distribution, and consumption of goods and services within a country or region. In the video, the participants discuss the state of the U.S. economy under the Trump and Biden administrations, with debates around economic performance, job creation, and the impact of policies on consumer sentiment and overall prosperity. The strength of the economy is presented as a key factor influencing public perception and voter support for the incumbent president.

💡Charisma

Charisma refers to a personal quality that makes an individual appealing, influential, and capable of inspiring devotion or enthusiasm in others. In the video, one of the participants suggests that Trump's charisma and ability to entertain and connect with his supporters is a significant reason for his enduring popularity, despite criticisms of his policies or behavior. The discussion highlights the role of charisma in political leadership and its potential impact on voter perceptions.

💡Two-State Solution

The two-state solution is a proposed framework for resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict by establishing an independent Palestinian state alongside the existing state of Israel. In the video, one of the participants advocates for a two-state solution as a realistic resolution to the conflict, acknowledging that both sides may need to make sacrifices and compromises to achieve a lasting peace agreement. The challenges and complexities of negotiating a two-state solution are also discussed.

💡Civilian Casualties

Civilian casualties refer to non-combatants, including civilians and civilian infrastructure, that are injured, killed, or damaged during armed conflicts or military operations. In the video, the issue of civilian casualties, particularly in the Gaza Strip, is a point of contention, with debates around the justification and legality of actions that result in civilian deaths. The participants discuss the responsibilities of both Israel and Hamas in minimizing civilian harm and the potential long-term consequences of civilian casualties on the conflict.

Highlights

Donald Trump's improbable return to the White House took another huge step forward of the weekend as he crushed Nikki Haley in the Republican primary in a home state of South Carolina the former president didn't even need to turn up for the results choosing instead to give another one of his barnstorming rally speeches to the conservative party action conference and as usual he didn't hold back.

A vote for Trump is your ticket back to Freedom it's your passport out of tyranny and it's your only escape from Joe Biden and his gangs fast track to hell and in many ways we're living in hell right now.

Nationwide poll suggests Trump is on track to beat President Biden November's election so can anything stop him and what will Trump the sequel mean for America and the world here's a debate we have one of Trump's most vocal critics, the hugely influential YouTube political commentator Destiny and the host of fearless on outkick Tommy Len okay.

Every time somebody attacks Biden on his senility I feel like that is a stronger indictment of Trump's own failure as a president I do agree that Biden definitely seems to have slowed down in his older age but I mean he passed so much more legislation than Trump.

I think our foreign policy aims are better than they were under Trump, and I think the way that he manages the rhetoric and the overall attitude of the country is way more responsible than Trump as well and he's not facing 90 plus criminal indictments so that that may well be true.

The perception is that Donald Trump is a little bit younger but has twice the energy twice the dynamism, and all the stuff that's being thrown at him far from defeating him as is usually the case of politicians has empowered him and made him stronger what are the Democrats going to do about that come November.

I think all Democrats can kind of hope for is that the perception of the economy continues to increase consumer sentiment is starting to climb again I think that Trump is also stumbling into a few misspeaks on his own.

When I imitate Biden who can't find the stairs ever she goes like this thank you where am I thank you and then he goes and he points and then you see Tommy the interesting thing with me about Trump I've done him a long time I look at him ws and all good bad ugly there's plenty of all of that with Trump but his supporters love him and one of the reasons I think that he's so popular with so many Americans is because he makes some laugh .

Donald Trump is not somebody who coddles people he's not somebody who is going to coddle Prince Harry and Megan obviously they've said bad things about him and and the Biden Camp the Democrats like Harry and Megan because they feel like maybe they're some kind of liberal Superstars, but you know I think Donald Trump is going to tell it like it is and he doesn't care how much money you have and he doesn't care how many books you've written or what your status is Donald Trump is is going to do what Donald Trump's going to do and Law and Order is going to make a comeback if that unfortunately negatively impacts Prince Harry I don't think I'll be crying myself to sleep at night I don't think you will either Pierce well we don't want him back here this is the problem.

Oh my God is there any debate is this actually a real debate or is who the is this loser this is embarrassing Rabbi schoy is he like a Twitter guy how am I going to survive in a real one-on-one debate this is just real talking speed this is just stupid debate G I can do an interview thank you I can't believe he's giving push back to Norm on this debate and he let this guy yap on the most adoms for like 20 minutes oh my God but he's not going to answer it oh it's just like it's a stupid argument on so many different levels I don't equivocate either with the other sound the uh incorrect use of equivocate alarm oh oh my God these are the types of posts I Bann for my subreddit we get it oh my God.

Just on a technical point I think I was using the word equivocate correctly there and that's I'm wrong I'd have to go back and analyze use of the word equivocate let me be clear the the main criticism yeah the main criticism that I basically have with all with almost all of the Israel Palestine debates is both sides have this hyper specific narrative that tends to Omit every single exculpatory thing from the other side and it drives me crazy.

Whether it's a rabbi on here that's talking about like the Innocence of Israel or even the guy you had on right before saying like well Israel doesn't like to fight we don't like to do that it's like really because Israel has taken advantage of every single military opportunity they've had in the history to expand their territory to saying they don't want to fight is really silly but then on the other hand you get Pro Palestinian people who would say things like well Hamas can be a partner for peace and October 7th was just in response to the horrible concentration camp like conditions of a region of the world that really isn't even doing that bad compared to other places in the region so I just hate how hyperbolized both sides of the argument are address.

I actually don't disagree with you and I thought Rabbi schmo's ad hominum attacks on the professor were completely over the top but actually quite Illuminating about him and his start of debating I don't think he play well with the audience at all and I had a lot of Israelis tweeting me saying why do you keep having this guy on he's so he talks in such an inflammatory manner that it doesn't make us look good so I think that he let himself down a bit there.

And on The Wider point I kind of agree I've had so many of these debates about Israel it's very hard to do anything that doesn't immediately get dragged to the extremities in terms of the debate very hard to reach any point of consensus you know and I find that that's the dispiriting thing about that debate and it may explain why the whole conflict in the Middle East between Israel and Palestine has beg gone 75 years and appears so completely intractable nobody gives an inch.

I mean I think there there's on the ground in Israel Palestine you have that issue where both sides have their basically their myths that Israel fashion themselves as these poor people these poor Jews that wandered into the Middle East and had to fight these impossibly huge Arab armies that had domineering and overwhelming forces power and coordination when in reality post 48 Israel was always in a decent position to fight and that was pretty obvious in their performance in 48 in ' 67 in 73 it was pretty obvious that they had the military capability to survive but then on the other hand you get you know the Palestinian Narrative of they were a poor dispossessed people in their lands who only ever wanted peace.

I think I saw a tweet saying we welcomed Israelis with open arms that's absolutely not true I think that the on the ground narratives contribute to the conflict feeling intractable but unfortunately I think inter nationally I think we feed into the intractability as well because people are that that conflict is so perfect for everybody to have a really strong opinion you've got brown people and white people you've got Jews and Muslims you've got oppressed and oppressors you've got Western Colonial and Middle Eastern country like everybody can have an opinion about this conflict because of the different parties involved and people are so not level-headed when it comes to evaluating what's going on that they end up hyping up both sides and they elevate the expectations to unrealistic levels which means neither side is really willing to actually settle for a realist resolution that might make both sides feel a little bit good and a little bit unhappy.

What do you think a realistic resolution looks like H it I think it's a it's a multifaceted thing but I would say that it has to be some kind of two-state solution and both sides need to be willing to negotiate for peace and this is the hard one both sides probably need to be willing to sacrifice a little bit for peace that means that not every Palestinian is going to be happy with the final resolution it means that a boss might have to suffer you know even more loss of his popularity or whatever Palestinian leader Rises might have to suffer more loss of popularity it might mean on the Israeli side you know similar to uh toan or rine you know negotiators for peace in the past you might have to pay a political price for being a negotiator for peace because sometimes the Israeli people or your canessa doesn't always support you when you're negotiating peace against either Arab states or Palestinians but you need the leadership has to be there that has to be willing to suffer a setback or some loss initially for the peace agreement and then both people need to have some kind of tolerance to say Hey listen we might not get everything we want on the old city that applies to Jews and Muslims or that applies to Israelis and Palestinians or hey we might have to do a lot of land swaps in the West Bank hey all of these settlements that are outside of directly near the green line maybe these do need to be torn down it's but yeah that the conversation we not even a place we could start the conversation on that yet because people don't even know if hamash should exist or not or if Israel has a right to defend itself or if maybe murdering 12200 civilians is a reasonable response to the supposed concentration camp conditions that exist in Gaza.

Transcripts

00:00

Donald Trump's improbable return to the

00:02

White House took another huge step

00:03

forward of the weekend as he crushed

00:05

Nikki Haley in the Republican primary in

00:07

a home state of South Carolina the

00:08

former president didn't even need to

00:10

turn up for the results choosing instead

00:12

to give another one of his barnstorming

00:14

rally speeches to the conservative party

00:16

action conference and as usual he didn't

00:19

hold back a vote for Trump is your

00:22

ticket back to Freedom it's your

00:24

passport out of tyranny and it's your

00:26

only escape from Joe Biden and his gangs

00:30

fast track to hell and in many ways

00:33

we're living in hell right now well

00:36

Nationwide poll suggests Trump is on

00:37

track to beat President Biden November's

00:39

election so can anything stop him and

00:41

what will Trump the sequel mean for

00:43

America and the world here's a debate we

00:45

have one of Trump's most vocal critics

00:47

the hugely influential YouTube political

00:49

commentator Destiny and the host of

00:51

fearless on outkick Tommy Len okay

00:55

Destiny um you voted for Joe Biden last

00:58

time I think it's safe to to assume you

01:00

won't be voting for Donald Trump this

01:02

time but are you comfortable voting for

01:05

Biden given the state that he now

01:08

appears to be

01:09

in every time somebody attacks Biden on

01:12

his senility I feel like that is a

01:14

stronger indictment of Trump's own

01:16

failure as a president I do agree that

01:18

Biden definitely seems to have slowed

01:20

down in his older age but I mean he

01:22

passed so much more legislation than

01:23

Trump I think our foreign policy aims

01:25

are better than they were under Trump

01:26

and I think the way that he manages the

01:28

rhetoric and the overall attitude of the

01:29

country is way more responsible than

01:31

Trump as well and he's not facing 90

01:32

plus criminal indictments so that that

01:35

may well be true uh but the reality is

01:39

perception is often half the battle with

01:41

election campaign the perception is that

01:43

Donald Trump is a little bit younger but

01:46

has twice the energy twice the dynamism

01:48

and all the stuff that's being thrown at

01:50

him far from defeating him as is usually

01:53

the case of politicians has empowered

01:55

him and made him stronger what are the

01:57

Democrats going to do about that come

01:58

November

02:01

I think all Democrats can kind of hope

02:02

for is that the perception of the

02:04

economy continues to increase uh

02:05

consumer sentiment is starting to climb

02:08

again I think that Trump is also

02:10

stumbling into a few misspeaks on his

02:11

own I think there was that clip of him

02:13

mixing up uh Nikki Haley and Pelosi

02:15

there was him talking about I think it

02:17

was the deserts of Vietnam uh both of

02:19

these guys are definitely uh I'd say

02:21

hitting their older age their golden

02:23

years so I don't know if Trump is going

02:25

to be free of any of the misspeaks that

02:27

Biden has found himself stumbling into

02:29

recently as well well Tommy let's just

02:30

play a clip this is of trump doing his

02:33

his Biden impression uh the other day

02:36

when I imitate Biden who can't find the

02:40

stairs ever she goes like this thank

02:43

you where am I thank you and then he

02:50

goes and he

02:52

points and

02:58

then you see Tommy the interesting thing

03:00

with me about Trump I've done him a long

03:02

time I look at him ws and all good bad

03:05

ugly there's plenty of all of that with

03:06

Trump um but his supporters love him and

03:10

one of the reasons I think that he's so

03:12

popular with so many Americans is

03:15

because he makes some laugh uh and I

03:17

watched that speech the other day he was

03:19

very funny uh not always and some of it

03:22

as always with Trump some of the

03:24

hyperbolic rhetoric was a bit alarming

03:26

but actually he was an Entertainer

03:28

entertaining the that's why they like

03:31

him that's why they vote for

03:35

him they like him because he has

03:37

Charisma I like him because he has

03:39

Charisma I also like him because when

03:41

Donald Trump was my president the

03:43

economy is doing well we ended endless

03:46

Wars we started no new Wars there was

03:49

relatively peace around the world with

03:51

Donald Trump at the Helm of the United

03:53

States of America people didn't like

03:54

what he tweeted people didn't like the

03:56

way that he spoke maybe they didn't like

03:58

the way that he dressed or the way that

04:00

his hairstyle was or his fake tan but

04:02

none of that mattered because the United

04:04

States was doing well our border was

04:06

Secure the world was a better place with

04:09

Donald Trump at the helm and when

04:11

Democrats talk about Joe Biden and they

04:13

say oh you know he's slipping a little

04:15

bit my goodness we know that they are

04:18

obviously gaslighting us because we can

04:20

clearly see that Joe Biden is not just

04:22

slipping he was slipping in 2020 he has

04:25

slipped all the way now that we're in

04:27

2024 and it's not just little miss here

04:30

and there everybody has misspeaks they

04:32

mix people up for Joe Biden you have a

04:34

special counsel report that quite

04:36

plainly says we can't go after this man

04:38

for his classified documents because

04:40

he's a well-meaning elderly man with a

04:43

poor memory that says it all right there

04:46

maybe we can't indict him 96 times we

04:48

can't charge him with 96 things because

04:51

he simply is not cognitively there

04:53

enough to be able to withstand it that's

04:55

the leader of the United States that's

04:56

the best the Democrats can do for their

04:58

party I'm sorry you guys better be

05:00

shaking in your boots if that's what

05:02

you're going to go with in November I

05:04

mean Destiny you know I I know your view

05:06

of trump but it's hard to argue with all

05:08

of what Tommy just said isn't it I mean

05:10

the Democrats seem to me to be

05:11

sleepwalking in to a complete disaster

05:14

if they're not careful Biden does look

05:16

from here across the pond anyway like

05:18

someone who can barely string a sentence

05:20

together or stay on his own two feet How

05:22

would how would anyone vote for someone

05:25

given they have to do four years more

05:27

from November as president pres of

05:29

United States the toughest job in the

05:32

world I mean it depends on what you're

05:34

pushing for I mean if you want to elect

05:36

a comedian because he's got good

05:37

Charisma then I agree that Trump

05:38

definitely has better stage presence

05:40

than Biden does um I think if you're a

05:42

Democrat you want to support Biden you

05:43

just have to try to stick in the realm

05:44

of fact Republicans inhabit a totally

05:46

separate world right now I just heard

05:48

Tommy lawen say that we're doing better

05:49

on on the foreign policy front because

05:52

Trump was better for for being an

05:53

endless war as I mean he bombed Syria he

05:55

abandoned Kurdish allies he kicked the

05:57

can down the road in Afghanistan he hit

05:59

had Yemen drone strikes from us he was

06:01

still part of the Saudi lit coalition to

06:02

bomb Yemen uh he didn't do anything

06:04

about Russia's takeover of Crimea I mean

06:06

like the idea that Trump was better on

06:08

any of these areas of foreign policy is

06:10

ridiculous the idea he was better

06:12

Dom

06:13

completely by the way that was OB my

06:17

that was that's that's great Trump still

06:19

didn't do anything about it um even if

06:20

you think that Trump does have good

06:22

ideas for the country he is just failed

06:23

as a leader he's he's a failure of a

06:25

businessman he's a failure of a leader

06:26

he can't get people together to right

06:27

legislation uh Joe Biden and his

06:29

senility was somehow able to pass the

06:31

same infrastructure bill that Donald

06:32

Trump said for four years he was going

06:33

to get done he didn't Donald Trump

06:35

couldn't even repeal and replace

06:36

Obamacare which is what a lot of

06:37

Republicans literally voted him to do

06:39

like the idea that Trump is a competent

06:40

leader is anything more than just a

06:42

comedian or a guy that has funny

06:43

onliners on Twitter is delusional I mean

06:45

can blame him for many things but as

06:46

Tommy said you can't blame him for the

06:48

Takeover of Crimea because that was that

06:50

was years before Trump came into Power

06:52

no no I'm not blame him for the Takeover

06:53

of crime I'm saying that Trump has never

06:55

made a good but difficult foreign policy

06:57

decision if you look at the Doha

06:58

agreement that he made with the Ben he

06:59

kicked the can down the road he says

07:01

that he would be strong on Ukraine the

07:02

only thing he cared about for Ukraine

07:03

was trying to get information about

07:04

Hunter Biden what about what about what

07:07

Joe Biden did in Afghanistan which was

07:10

the most shameful and disgraceful

07:12

overnight fleeing of a country and

07:15

throwing millions of Afghan women back

07:18

to the Taliban walls now you can blame

07:20

Trump all you like for that but the

07:22

bottom line is it happened under Joe

07:24

Biden on his watch he was President it

07:27

was a catastrophic failure

07:29

that evacuation so many allies and

07:32

Friends of the Americans uh were left in

07:35

its wake many people died that day and

07:38

women in Afghanistan have gone back to

07:40

the medieval Dark Ages that's on Joe

07:42

Biden isn't

07:43

it no um if you read the special yeah if

07:47

you read the special Inspector General

07:48

report for Afghanistan the whole reason

07:51

why that pull out happened on that

07:52

timetable because because it was because

07:54

of the Doha agreements that Donald Trump

07:56

signed he drew our troop levels down to

07:58

Historic lows in Afghanistan for when

08:00

Biden came into office because Donald

08:01

Trump put America on a timetable to

08:03

leave that country if Biden wanted to he

08:05

could have come in and undone that but

08:06

then be clear though Destiny you're

08:08

blaming Donald Trump for a decision that

08:10

was taken eight months after he left

08:13

office that decision was taken under

08:15

Donald Trump the timetable was

08:17

established under Donald Trump have to S

08:19

to it Joe Biden's a big boy he's a

08:21

president of the United States I mean

08:22

Tommy it seems to me that the desperate

08:24

attempts is he a big boy Pierce is he a

08:27

big boy I'm not so sure he has use the

08:29

kitty stairs but I just have to jump in

08:31

here because I don't think anybody

08:34

wanted to stay in Afghanistan that

08:36

wasn't the point the time table that

08:37

Donald Trump negotiated there was

08:39

nothing wrong with the timetable Biden's

08:41

withdrawal from Afghanistan was

08:43

catastrophic he didn't have the support

08:45

that he needed he didn't have the

08:46

strategy that he needed it wasn't about

08:48

staying in Afghanistan in perpetuity

08:50

nobody wanted that I'm sure Democrats

08:52

didn't want to be in an endless war in

08:53

Afghanistan either it was the way that

08:55

Biden handled it and every since every

08:58

time since then he has failed when it

09:00

comes to foreign policy now we've got

09:02

Israel at War we've got Ukraine still

09:04

and heading into year what two and a

09:06

half of war that we are still funding

09:08

the world is a much more dangerous place

09:11

and that doesn't even bring me to my

09:12

Southern border where we have 10 million

09:15

illegal immigrants who have invaded on

09:17

Biden's watch I'm sure my friend is

09:19

going to tell me that that is Donald

09:21

Trump's fault as well even though he

09:22

oversaw the most secure border that we

09:24

believe in American history that we know

09:26

of so there is no disputing the record

09:29

you can say that Joe Biden was able to

09:31

sit there as a shadow president while

09:33

things got passed through Democrat

09:35

Chambers Chambers but you can't sit here

09:37

and tell me that the man is cognitively

09:40

well or that he's done anything on his

09:42

own on his own accord to better the

09:44

world of the United States well let me

09:46

ask Desy know this let me ask Destiny my

09:48

favorite question of all my liberal

09:50

friends uh which is do you know how many

09:53

illegal immigrants Barack Obama deported

09:56

in eight years how many illegal immigr

09:59

immigrants did did he Deport or did they

10:01

have like um cont he deported thrown out

10:04

thrown out of the country uh I don't

10:06

know the number of that have have a

10:08

guess for when you say Deport you mean

10:11

somebody that was already in the country

10:12

and they were caught by in the country

10:15

and removed my guess is those numbers

10:17

are always fairly low I probably less

10:19

than a million I have no idea I truly

10:21

have no idea three three million which

10:23

is the greatest number Prat of any

10:26

president in history and earned him the

10:29

monik in Mexico of deporter in Chief and

10:32

yet oddly whenever I talk to my liberal

10:34

friends they never know this they never

10:36

made a fuss at the time they were quite

10:38

comfortable about that happening and I

10:41

look at what's going on on the southern

10:42

border now apparently Biden's going down

10:43

the same day as Trump on Thursday which

10:46

would be fascinating but he hasn't been

10:48

there all I don't think he may have been

10:49

once before in his time as president

10:52

which is insane given how obviously

10:55

problematic the the the southern border

10:58

has become

10:59

what whichever side of the toal Divide

11:01

you're on would you accept

11:03

that would I accept that the border is a

11:05

problem well not only a massive problem

11:07

but that President Biden to date in his

11:10

tenure has done absolutely nothing but

11:13

make it

11:14

worse I don't know about absolutely

11:16

nothing but make it worse I think one of

11:17

the issues right now is Republicans are

11:18

holding up funding to actually uh a

11:21

portion more money to border security uh

11:24

I think that there are definitely border

11:25

problems that exist right now uh that

11:27

definitely need attention but I think

11:29

comparing it to Donald Trump when he was

11:30

able to utilize uh the emergency of

11:32

covid and the fact that the immigration

11:34

numbers were at historic lows over the

11:36

co period and then to say that well look

11:38

he did a way better job than Biden did

11:39

where once Co ends and then everything

11:41

starts to open up again you see a huge

11:43

surge of immigrants isn't the most fair

11:44

comparison but obviously yeah something

11:46

needs to be done with the border of

11:47

course and I hope that Republicans

11:48

approve funding in Congress for

11:49

something to actually be done well Tom

11:51

me that's an interesting point where I

11:52

would be critical I think of your

11:54

position on this because I absolutely

11:57

believe that Ukraine UK has got to be

12:00

helped to defeat Putin or at least hold

12:03

him off because the alternative for the

12:05

West it seems to me is extremely

12:07

dangerous and alarming which is that

12:10

Vladimir Putin seizes large chunks of a

12:14

sovereign Democratic country and is

12:16

allowed to keep it and the idea that

12:18

won't embolden him to just go and do the

12:20

same elsewhere I think is for the birds

12:22

I also think it's for the birds that

12:24

China looking at this won't then

12:26

immediately think about invading and

12:28

taking back

12:32

Taiwan well I would also say this if

12:34

Donald Trump were our president right

12:36

now Putin would have never done that

12:38

because he didn't When Donald Trump was

12:39

in office we mentioned earlier under

12:41

Obama they go in take Crimea under Biden

12:43

go in and try to take Ukraine so Donald

12:47

Trump uh will just say he started no new

12:49

Wars and the world was either respectful

12:52

of Donald Trump or fearful doesn't

12:53

matter which I would also say this we

12:56

don't on on my side when I talk about

12:58

not funding Ukraine anymore it's not

13:00

because we want Putin to take Ukraine

13:02

it's because we understand that here in

13:03

the United States of America we have

13:05

more problems that we have to attend to

13:07

we've got homeless veterans we've got a

13:08

border invasion of our own so the

13:10

thought of sending Doone I to UK I keep

13:14

hearing this but it's a I find it really

13:16

odd to hear any American

13:19

conservatives almost saying Putin should

13:22

be allowed to just take what he's taken

13:25

that would never have happened 20 years

13:26

ago in American political discourse

13:28

there's been a massive sea change in

13:30

conservative mentality to how to deal

13:32

with a Russian dictator um but but

13:35

secondly on on The Wider point about

13:38

Ukraine surely it comes down to this if

13:41

we applied the same mentality to Adolf

13:44

Hitler and World War II we'd all be

13:46

likely speaking German why are we so

13:50

weak about standing up to him in Ukraine